I recently learned about Liberapay, which is similar to Patreon, but with a focus on the open source community. As such, I created a Liberapay account at liberapay.com/sorenstoutner/ for those who would like to support the development of Privacy Browser.


@Horizon_Innovations @privacybrowser is a site. Avoid it. It's a bad idea to use CF at all but foolish to trust them with financial transactions.

That's a shame, as I was thinking of setting up a librapay account. Is there a way around this or a different/similar service?

@Horizon_Innovations @privacybrowser I don't know of any. Patreon is compromised by , bountysource is on Cloud and relies on a ton of some of which is from CF, and it's -only (so private data shared w/600 corps- see dev.lemmy.ml/post/30880). I forgot the other competitor but it's also CF'd.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Horizon_Innovations As pointed out, anything that uses Cloudflare is not optimal. However, Liberapay is a step in the right direction compared to may of the other similar options. As described at liberapay.com/about/ their project is open source. You might also want to take a look at wiki.snowdrift.coop/market-res

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Horizon_Innovations In the particular case of Privacy Browser, I also have a Bitcoin address that users can send donations to if they prefer that method. Details are at stoutner.com/privacy-browser/d

@privacybrowser @Horizon_Innovations the snowdrift.coop page has a lot more options than I was aware of, & it reminded of the site I couldn't think of earlier: . It would be an embarrassment for any -focused project to use CloudFlare, & for me it would be sufficient to question project motives. I would not donate even if the money could take non-CF paths.

@Horizon_Innovations @privacybrowser When a -focused project solicits donation, that is the most important time to show integrity and adherence to the project's own mission. Accepting is also enough for me to walk, even if there are other options.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Horizon_Innovations It is fine with me if you feel that way. As a open source project developer, my guiding principle for accepting donations is to provide the opportunity in the manner that those wishing to contribute desire. And by far, the privacy conscious users who contribute most often request PayPal.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Horizon_Innovations In addition, the app is sold through XDA Labs, which is an important distribution channel for reaching highly technical users. XDA Labs accepts PayPal and Bitcoin, but for a long time, and possibly even still, the Bitcoin payment option was broken. Making PayPal a required method if you want to use that distribution channel.

@privacybrowser @Horizon_Innovations is a horrible site. Not only is it jailed in 's , but it's run by extreme right-wing nutters. The first clue is @XDA_bot@gab.com is on . Their mods also censor posts on how to change the IMEI number of a phone (falsely claiming it's illegal to change IMEI despite proof to the contrary).


> by far, the privacy conscious users who contribute most often request PayPal


@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Horizon_Innovations

@Coffee I think the reason why is that, as was already pointed out in this thread, there is no private way to move money electronically. For example, the amount of personal information I had to provide to transfer money between Bitcoin and USD far exceeds what I had to provide to use PayPal.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Horizon_Innovations I realized I didn’t include the link in my original toot to the F-Droid post about how they are going to highlight Liberapay and OpenCollective on their platform as the preferred donation methods. forum.f-droid.org/t/highlighti

@privacybrowser @Horizon_Innovations 's service is essential but they do not lead by good example. @fdroidorg is narrowly focused on w/out regard to important freedoms outside that context. They use .com (why it's bad: dev.lemmy.ml/post/30312/commen). They link to 2 sites that abuse of donors & accept (w/600 corps in the loop).

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo I think this is a pretty good example of the perfect being the enemy of the good. While I agree with most of your examples of these things not being ideal, I also don’t think that any of these things are egregious enough for me not to associate with them. And if I refused to use F-Droid or any site on Cloudflare or anyone who uses PayPal, then Privacy Browser would not be able to accomplish the important good it needs to make in the world.

@privacybrowser I'm not saying avoid . I'm saying your reason for using or is lousy. sets a poor example overall. But there are 2 donation options F-droid does well: they post a btc address and iban#. When a project uses LP, OC or , it shows no integrity or credibility.

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