Are there any developers out there interested in making a Film & TV review/discussion platform for the Fediverse?

Almost every time I've mentioned the Fediverse's excellent book platform @bookwyrm (joinbookwyrm.com) there have been people asking whether a film/TV version would be possible.

Does this sound doable to devs? Maybe it could use wikidata (wikidata.org) for film data the same way BookWyrm and @inventaire do with books?

If you know someone looking for new Fediverse ideas, could you pass this on to them?

#Fedi #Fediverse #Dev #Development #ActivityPub #Film #TV #Television

I would recommend using a #Reddit-style platform like #Lemmy or #Lotide. Both federate across the #Fediverse and work well in their own way.

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@realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm I’m surprised you’re endorsing lemmy.ml. IIRC, I thought you were aware of their extreme censorship practices.

@bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins .ml admins have hijacked a community, which was created by the user “cipherpunk”: lemmy.ml/modlog/community/1498 Then after deposing the creator the mod involved with the hostile takeover announced that the community is “moving”. They could have simply created their own community in the first place as opposed to sabotaging someone else’s.

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@bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika Note that admins silently booted cipherpunk (the privacytools community creator) & dropped in someone else w/no announcement. So followers of that community don’t even know the community was hostily taken over by someone who has a special interest in stealing followers. The channel was deliberately created by a non-PTIO member to prevent censorship of PTIO-critical posts.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm Lemmy.ml admin here. Maybe this community will clear something up: lemmy.ml/c/community_requests

We have a policy where if all the moderators of a community have had no activity for several months, another active user can request to take over the community.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm Cipherpunk has been inactive for two years. The privacytools community was transferred to Ghost one year ago. This is in line with the policy and users have generally expressed support of this type of "use it or lose it" policy toward moderating communities. Reddit has the same policy BTW.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm for reference:

Record of the community transfer: lemmy.ml/modlog/community/1498

Transfer request: lemmy.ml/post/49898

Cipherpunk's profile including last activity: lemmy.ml/u/cipherpunk

Activist, I encourage you to actually look into the nature of a problem before jumping to the most insidious conclusion.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm I also find it interesting that you condemn the entire Lemmy project because you disagree with one of its instances. We don't claim Lemmy.ml it's for everyone, it's in the title and sign up page what we are. We have generally tolerated nearly all political views, but we do state that we are a far left instance.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm You can choose from any number of instances all with different admins and politics. That's the whole point of it being a federated platform, there is no default. There are plenty of liberal instances to choose from, most of which still federate with Lemmy.ml. There is also at least one far-right instance.

@AgreeableLandscape @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika Federating with lemmy.ml is actually an anti-feature because when communities are oppressed to the extremes of only reflecting the viewpoints of a moderator, the voices that prevail through the censorship get amplified in an unbalanced way. Having those msgs carry onto other platforms rewards those who chose to participate in an oppressive community and empower it.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika a lot of instances have this type of mod transfer policy unofficially. They might not have an official request community (where requests are public BTW), but as far as I know, if all mods are inactive for quite a while, admins on many instances will generally transfer a community if asked.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika also, what exactly do you suggest in lieu of this? Never transfer communities? If someone makes a throwaway account and then makes some keyword community like "memes" on the instance, just leave it abandoned, with no updates to it ever?

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika Put the task of moderating it on the admins just so the already abandoned account is not deprived of their mod status? And if you already hate the admins, how is that better? We're the de facto mods of any community with no mods because we have to enforce global rules.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika And what is your definition of a "well-behaved" community that has no mod? Does a community with no activity count under it? Most community requests are for dead communities in hopes of reviving them. What about a tight knit community but also external spammers and trolls coming in that they can't mod?

@AgreeableLandscape @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm A request should be coupled with a demonstration of need. The requester should include w/their request an example of a moderation action that is needed, which the moderator ignored. And if the existing moderator demonstrates no wrongdoing, there’s no reason to make them removable by a new moderator.

@bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika @AgreeableLandscape You don’t need a moderator to revive a ghost town. If someone wants to revive a group, they only need to post to it as a user.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm what is a sufficient demonstration of need? Removing posts is the obvious one, but what about updating the sidebar? Posting announcements? Having a vision to move the community in some direction?

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm We've noticed that most community requests are from frequently posting users. Is wanting to mod a community they like because it's currently unmoderated not enough?

If not, then you must also consider that the creation of a given community is also first come first serve, "unjust" by your definition, right?

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm if a transfer request is unjust, what gives anyone the right to become a mod in the first place? If someone creates a buzzword community first, did they just take a "perverse" and "undemocratic" action because now other people can't create that community?

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm you're also missing the fact that duplicate communities *are* allowed. So if you don't like a community mod, you can create a competing one. If the majority of users agree with you, they will naturally move to your community, or someone else's, leading to the "bad" community fizzling out.

@AgreeableLandscape @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika That point was actually highlighted in the article. Why didn't Nomad create “c/privacyguides”, as opposed to hijacking c/privacytools and killing it.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika BTW, at this point, if someone were to request /c/privacytools at this point, that request would most likely be granted. A shut down or deleted community is treated the same as a community with no mods.

@AgreeableLandscape @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika Being first should carry some weight among other factors. If Pepsi Inc. creates c/pepsi and someone more impartial wants to moderate, then a chg of power would make sense. If Bob creates c/pepsi first, and for the purpose of ensuring biased mods don’t create it first, then that’s similar to the c/privacytools scenario.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika it's kind of rich for you to assume that Cypherpunk created the community to protect it from "biased mods". I think Occam's razor would invalidate that unless you cab link to some post or comment where they stated their intentions. They probably just wanted a community for something they're interested in.

@AgreeableLandscape @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika Since the request is being handled on a case by case basis, they can argue their case for the need for any use of moderator privs and admins are the judge. They should be able to make a case that the group is unmoderated. Who’s to say it’s unmoderated if everyone is following the rules?

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika enforcing rules is just one part of community moderation. Which community would you prefer? One that has an empty sidebar and no organization, or one with an informative sidebar with links to resources, and whose moderators actively host megathreads, resource comilations, maybe some form of wiki?

@AgreeableLandscape @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm Rule enforcement is relatively more objective to judge than other factors. Usually the problem is mods enforce non-existent rules, which would also be a good case for a candidate moderator to make.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm why *shouldn't* the configurations of communities get updated? Doing so improves the experience the vast majority of the time. When the transfer system was implemented, the majority of "keyword" communities were dead and admins were moderating them. Most had empty or single sentences in their sidebars, no icons

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@AgreeableLandscape @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika You must be reading old msgs. I used to condemn all instances back when they all ran a hard-coded (and broken) slur filter. Now that the slur filter is an overridable default I only condemn .ml & another oppressive instance w/similar power abuse issues. Hence the “.ml” in the msg you replied to.

@AgreeableLandscape @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika So not only do we see copious abuse of power from the top (from lemmy.ml admins), but the instance policy cators for other power-abusing bullies in moderation positions, while kicking out moderators with a more hands-off style of moderation.

@AgreeableLandscape @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika It’s a fucked up policy designed to put power abusers into power. When a group is well behaved as c/privacytools, there is no need for moderation actions. When someone asks to moderate where it’s clearly not needed, these are bullies who you are empowering. Then the decision to kick out a moderator who did not make use of their power is an extra level of perversion.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika this policy was implemented BECAUSE a large number of users asked for it. It's interesting how you no longer say we need to listen to users above all else when it no longer suits you. Moderators don't only remove posts, they're in charge of updating the community settings.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika Spam is another issue. The number of bots, spam (and troll) accounts has increased dramatically, and they don't care what communities they post to. We have five admins with global moderation privileges. Without community mods, we'd either get inundated or won't find such posts. What is your suggestion there?

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @bookwyrm @feditips @realcaseyrollins @koherecoWatchdog @Hyolobrika The action to remove the original mod was not ours. Transferring a community ads a new head mod, any other action is up to that user.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Hyolobrika @koherecoWatchdog @realcaseyrollins @feditips @bookwyrm so you didn't mention the inactive account policy or the request which was made publicly, and the article is very much under the impression that we forcibly took a community from an active user for no reason.

Yeah, I'm sure readers will get the full story.

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