I've come across a lot of people in the fediverse who appear to be using Mastodon, but I think would find the privacy model of Diaspora much more to their liking. If Diaspora ever has a change of heart and decides to federate over ActivityPub, and produce some user-friendly web videos etc explaining how the Diaspora UI works, I suspect they would have a huge uptick in users. I can certainly think of people I'd encourage to migrate there.

#Diaposra #ActivityPub #Mastodon

@strypey Very much agree. FLOSS protocols *need* to have interoperability as first-class citizen built in, unfortunately this just rarely happens at the moment, building more "walled gardens" rather than eliminating them. Looking at #movim here too. 😟

@z428 @strypey I don't really use Movim, but I don't think throwing this shade at it is fair.

For almost a decade, Movim was using the only federated social network standard there was, and the only federated social network specification with more than one production implementation, until the W3C recommended AP in 2018. It was everyone else that wasn't catching on.

I think it can be forgiven for not yet having adopted AP, however cool I think it would be.

@clacke I'm not really offending #movim here. I'm, like, more a bit concerned to see that repeated "reinvent-the-wheel" culture in FLOSS nowadays(?). We're blaming Facebook and Twitter to be "walled gardens" for business and control reasons but fail for ourselves to build solutions that aren't "walled" gardens yet for entirely different reasons... 😟


@z428 @strypey I think the fragmentation is sad, but the huge difference is that the documentation and access necessary to bridge e.g. Movim and Mastodon is out there and anyone is welcome to do it, it's just that nobody has.

They're separate gardens and I'd like to see them grow together, but at least there's no wall of obfuscation, anti-features and terms of service to separate them, I can even follow Movim from Friendica, as it exports feeds.

@clacke Yeah, I see that too - but on the other side, this integration never works "seamless". This bridging and transformation always comes at the price of incompatibilities and limitations - and, like you said, it always initially boils down to "someone needs to do it". Looking at this seems the worst at the moment - in quite some cases (Diaspora <-> AP, Movim <-> AP, ...) nobody does it because people expect each other to do it, leaving it "practically walled gardens" because ...


I agree with @clacke that the federated gardens are not walled, but I agree with @z428 that there's a lack of well-engineered paths between them. In the case of Movim <> Diaspora <> AP, everyone seems to use the cop-out of accusing the others of NIH syndrome, as an excuse for not making any path-building efforts on their end.

@z428 @strypey all I'm saying is movim and SΓ T got first dibs on that attitude πŸ˜‰

@clacke yes, but the AP networks have an equally valid argument, that their combined user base dwarfs the combined user base of Movim and SaT. So why should the AP devs bend over backwards to support an arguably obsolete standard.

But both arguments are a cop out. Trotting them out does nothing to improve the fragmented UX of federated networks, which contributes to people staying on the datafarms, which hurts all federated projects equally.


@strypey I agree. My most pressing pain with this is, maybe, on a meta-level: I don't care at all *who* exactly is responsible to build a bridge. I, however, complain in a rather bitter way that, at this point, apparently weird mechanisms work and keep people from doing the obvious, from doing what an early FLOSS idea should be expected: Stick together and get things together rather than everyone sitting on her/his own island and blaming neighbors for not wanting to bridge the gap. 😐



We're relatively new to the fediverse, if we were to setup a Tor or instance, would clearnet instances have the infrastructure to communicate with such a internet?

Are there mechanisms in place to help protect the of users (eg. traffic/random junk traffic only sent and received between instances every 12 hours at a universal time etc?)
@strypey @clacke

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@dsfgs Boosting this as I am not really sure what's best to tackle that. πŸ™‚

@strypey @clacke

@dsfgs good questions, well above my paygrade. Maybe start a thread about this on socialhub.ActivityPub.rocks or
forum.privacytools.io ?

@z428 @clacke

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