@humanetech @dsfgs @pfefferle If I manage to find the time, I'll try a mash up 😉

@nestort
Here's a design.

If you have #I2P, its at http://sharefile.i2p/file/9c/9c42d5fa58ae734133e8de83a89e1bc6f1805c401303a677f3265542c99bb1f3/Fediverse_v01.png

The SHA256 is in the URL.

If you don't have I2P you may have luck accessing the image over the unreliable Cloudflare service. It doesn't seem to fetch the image.
https://sharefile.onion.ly/file/9c/9c42d5fa58ae734133e8de83a89e1bc6f1805c401303a677f3265542c99bb1f3/Fediverse_v01.png

@humanetech @pfefferle
@drq @tallship @person
@eylul

@nestort @humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

As a Tor user we cannot #UploadImages.

If you are able to access the image, please upload it so others can more easily see it.

@dsfgs

You might upload to https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fediverse-logo-or-icon-proposal/1057/12 if you have a #SocialHub account, then I can add here (I cannot access).

@nestort @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

I can't see @dsfgs 's image. Anyway, I'm working on something here... One of the things I do not like from the orginal perfect pentagon is that it is too "tight", in the sense that it looks too rigid, and the #Fediverse is anything but rigid, and that's something I liked from @pfefferle 's suggestion. The central figure is my main idea, the others are copies and support material. It still needs work (so it looks OK on dark background, and monochrome)

@humanetech @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@nestort

I love 💖 the direction you're thinking in. The centre image gives me the appearance of a person figure (2 arms and legs), though that may be intended (with #fediverse being "The People's Web"), I like the abstract form in top-right better.

@dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@nestort @dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

#fediverse note that there's also the search for a slogan to accompany the #logo #design ..

So far we have:

Fediverse: The People's Web

Fediverse: Social network, social

Fediverse: People. Social. United.

#YearOfTheFediverse

@nestort @dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

Ref: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fediverse-logo-or-icon-proposal/1057/5

@humanetech
@nestort
here is a question: does it have to be a pentagon? can it be more of a constellation? after all part of the power of fediverse is its relative weak connectivity that allows communities to appear rather than forcing everyone increasingly into one large pool. :)

@dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person

@eylul already submitted couple of minutes ago by @nestort .. check the full toot thread :)

@eylul @nestort

oops, my bad. Thought you were replying to something high up the thread. You are referring to the nodes in the logo. Sorry.

@humanetech

@nestort xD its alright.

@humanetech

@nestort that's actually the discussion I am referring to and saying it can go even further than that. :) as many of those examples are still heavily referencing the original interconnected pentagon form

@eylul

Might be hard to make it look 'balanced', but maybe the constellation could form the character 'F' in some interesting way.

(am no #UX designer, but have lotsa 2cts to spare 😝 )

@nestort @dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person

@eylul Five points is a minimal number of points that can be connected without crossing a visual center and without it being a boring square.

@humanetech @nestort @dsfgs @pfefferle @tallship @person

@humanetech @dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

All right, so here goes one idea in all its possible variations. Fist, color:

@humanetech @dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul
And now, monochrome:

@nestort
Hello friends, some interesting designs here. We would love to know what people think of the design, we posted does anyone have a #dropbox on the clearnet? We will check the hashtag above to see but do chime in please if you have one.

"Social media: DECENTRALISED", or
"Social media, without being centralised"…

…or similar would be our preferred slogan.

The brown 'F' has a Japanese paper house and FSF vibe. Interesting designs.
@humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@dsfgs
I'm not sure of what you need. Aren't there any other means of showing here or posting this image other than a dropbox? You could try https://disroot.org/en/services/upload

@humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@nestort
Thanks Nestort! DONE

Here's the link to our first design (might need some tweeks if people like it, though):
https://upload.disroot.org/r/FEykkjP4#mNMODIwKtEujEXWphLYStOEbrH3aM1SK6o0Tleiqsdc=

@humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@dsfgs

Thanks! Here it is embedded for easier access:

@humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@nestort
One of the things that surprised us while playing around and drawing different designs with a pen and paper was that the word '#diverse' is really poorly hidden in the name #Fediverse and we never actually noticed that.

Like WTH?! Haha.

Maybe its because we always read it as the portmanteau. So 'fedi', then 'verse'. Really shocked at that.
@humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@dsfgs @nestort @humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul So we could make the slogan:

FEDIverse
feDIVERSE

(Better use bold, than capitals.)

@VictorVenema
Drawing attention to the word 'diverse' in 'fediverse' is not something that can be recommended. People may start calling it 'fe-diverse' which sounds odd.

Fediverse or just fedi are our personal recommendations, no bold as fashionable as that can look in logos it would not be good for fediverse, in our opinion.

@nestort @humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@PaulaToThePeople

Above is a design we did about a week ago now. The 's' and 'v' have been improved since.

- speech bubbles
- different sizes
- connected
- 3D/global feel
- always room for more
- an 'F'
- super easy to draw
- flourishing seedling vibe

@humanetech @dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul
Maybe for a better diffusion of this proposal of an evolution for the #Fediverse logo, I'll put all the versions in one single image here.

@nestort

😍 Absolutely adoring it !!

PS. What I like in @dsfgs proposal is nodes of different sizes (feels more 3D, and small or large there always space on the fediverse)

@pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@humanetech
Thanks Humane Tech, yes that is what we were thinking with the different sizes. On a website, alongside other social icons, you would just use the smallest one, the 'F'.

If Fedi is your main (or only) social platform then you might use the "Fedi" or "Fediverse" one.

"On Fedi" and "On Fediverse" might be more useful??? An 'o' and an 'n' would need to be done for that. The 's' needs adjusting also (currently looks a bit like a '%').

@nestort @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@dsfgs
I like the different possibilities of this logo: F, Fedi, Fediverse. Ia also agree the "s" in the "Fediverse" version could hace at least its bottom trace extended to the left.
The F alone, however, could be a logo of anything, since it does not have any specificity of the Fediverse. Maybe a different F which does (something in the lines of fediverse.party logo, or a mesh with an F shape, for example) could be better.

@humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@nestort
Look closely at the shape.

Its doing five things.

Someone tipped us off to the forth and fifth in these messages. We only designed it thinking of three things.

@nestort
We may have been able to cook up something different.

Its related to the 'peace fist' idea and might be #animatable (possibly not a word). Not sure about the context of when a person would use an animated icon for Fedi but expect a rough concept sketch soon.

@humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

Here's a new hand-drawn concept of a design, if people like it we can do a non hand-drawn version.

Tell us what you interpret. We see a few things in it.

https://upload.disroot.org/r/jcc0u1ar#XH9fntXa303kAH0f9GsiXAu4SipjkMI4aTbhEky2+PI=

#FediverseIcon

@nestort @humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@nestort

Hi Nestort, feel free to upload this design if you like. I think disroot will only keep the file up for 30 days.

Thanks in advance. Anti-Tor behaviour by Cloudflare and others affecting people's ability to communicate, as usual.

@nestort
Fixed the 's' in the first #FediverseIcon we did. Improved the 'v' a bit too.

https://upload.disroot.org/r/VwZ_KnU3#Gbo6tqiDTzGCF0mLHCJyXP3dVA2N/I2FiMEAea8BPgo=

If people like this one, the svg can be uploaded.

Does anyone have a dropbox that doesn't require #javascript. Like #sharefileDotI2P? If so, please DM. Thanks.

@humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@nestort
A couple glyphs fixed in this one. It's less important to upload though. If you a stretched for time, just upload that other one.

We look forward to getting feedback from the team.

@nestort
These star/pentagram designs are colourful but being based on the pentagram they are a bit too busy and too… perfect… for an icon today.

Wondering whether a fist, can be evoked from a knotted constellation. That would be a very interesting design challenge.

We can try to work on something like that, if its even possible.

A fist would be empowering as a symbol. Also a peace sign to the side angle could make an 'F'? hmm.

@humanetech @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@nestort Sorry to be a naysayer, but I hate it.

@humanetech @dsfgs @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@nestort I stand by our first design. This just looks ugly by comparison.

@humanetech @dsfgs @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@drq

That is nothing to be sorry about, Quadragon. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We may do a fediverse vote in the end...

Or not even. My whole 'contest'-like introduction was introduced with a 😉 wink, as there is no contest at all, of course.

And there may not even be a 'centralized' logo, but some alternatives with sufficient equivalence (the biz world calls it 'branding') to choose from, to be consistent with others.

@nestort @dsfgs @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@humanetech _something_ _must_ mean "the Fediverse" to the most people. That's how signs work. We don't have each our own letter K, for example.

Luckily, we already have such sign, made by @nestort and me.

And I don't know about Nestort, but I'd be damned if I'm not gonna defend my work.

I propose we stick to that design. It's laconic and minimal, it has symmetry to it, it says what it has to say about what it signifies, without going into unnecessary technical details.

@dsfgs @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@drq duly noted, and valid points again.

Note that I like current logo and am using it too. Current discussion was originally opened by @nestort on #SocialHub, and I'm just taking it further here.

New logo design to me - personal choice - also feels good tbh, for the points made in this thread and on the forum.

Re: 'K' there's only one, but many fonts. Just like the organic nature of fedi, needs there be strict brand consistency? A question.. idk.

@dsfgs @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@drq
Can we be honest. Pentagrams have negative conotations. We personally saw it for a long time on F-Droid. It did not make us want to learn more about it. About a year later we started doing searches on alternatives to Facebook. Another system, #Diaspora, was presented by search results first. After continued reading/research Fediverse was discovered by us.

When #Fedilab got a new icon we felt it would greatly assist onboarding.

@humanetech @nestort @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@dsfgs
> Can we be honest. Pentagrams have negative conotations.

Because nobody has guts enough to give it a positive one.

Are we THAT spineless?

@humanetech @nestort @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@drq
Gnu have been using the hooved animal/motif for a while (30-40 years?).

At some point we need to use the language and iconography that speaks to as many people as we can engage.

@humanetech @nestort @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@dsfgs

> Gnu have been using the hooved animal/motif for a while (30-40 years?).

So what?

Are we making a logo or a mascot?

I have a proposal for a mascot as well, if that's what you're going for.

@humanetech @nestort @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@drq @dsfgs @humanetech @nestort @pfefferle @person @eylul >Because nobody has guts enough to give it a positive one.

Would joke on that but I'm gonna be canceled once again. :)

I don't think we need another icon than . We need to decide, once and for all and is already used and recognizable, at least in Fediverse.

@drq @humanetech @nestort @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

In the back of our mind, when thinking about a #fediverseIcon we should be asking ourselves, "Will people use this like the fakebook and screwtube icons."

Having thought about this yesterday, we realised that most entities use the #mastodonIcon, which may not be correct.

The pentagram star is just too busy. Also, symmetry is not really important for developing an identity. It really depends on what we want to achieve with symmetry.

@dsfgs Don't want to repeat myself.

Here you go, my points:

https://mastodon.ml/@drq/105485491567624818

@humanetech @nestort @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@dsfgs Also symmetry I mentioned because it is just pleasing to the eye, in addition to those points.

@humanetech @nestort @pfefferle @tallship @person @eylul

@nestort

I'm just not into that stickman abstraction at all.

I do however, like this:

@humanetech @dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @person @eylul

@nestort @humanetech @dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul Is it possible to make the way the network is drawn so recognizable, that it would be possible to have an increasing number of nodes for larger versions?

an increasing number of nodes for larger versions
Ooh, some kind of fractal pattern would be awesome-sauce! #YearOfTheFediverse

@VictorVenema @nestort @humanetech @dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@category_mirrory Exactly, with many nodes you could make wonderful (fractal) patterns. But the logo should also work when it is printed small. In the past you could only have one logo, but with this logo mostly being used on the web, one could generated them automatically at any size. @nestort @humanetech @dsfgs @pfefferle @drq @tallship @person @eylul

@VictorVenema
Have a look at the design we just retooted. Do you see a fractal?

@category_mirrory

@dsfgs @category_mirrory I do not want to be too much of a scientist, but I see two scales, rather than a scale free network.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale-free_network