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@SeanAloysiusOBrien
To be honest this is conditioning people to accept living like people in China. Its not a good meme.

is also capitalistic and fascistic as it is oft its highly in nature. We can bet a dodgy multi-national with ready access to desperate migrant labour at their disposal (and yes some would have died), made those .

@SeanAloysiusOBrien
We call out blatent sinophobia, but this meme is indoctrination. So the plebs accept an unhealthy lifestyle while the one percent and policy makers enjoy the benefits of open spaces, easy access to regenerative environments and green space, and access to workers from their remote island locations.

Overdevelopment is also a terrible strain on the environment, global SandMafia is a big part of that.

@SeanAloysiusOBrien
This meme is a false choice, there are plenty of vacant properties out there, if govt really was serious.

Building these flats is a social, and environmental disaster.

@SeanAloysiusOBrien
Haha, well let's just say its not the easiest place.

We have to be a net exporter of foods also in order to balance our books. Yet up until coronavirus, ppl were leaving the land for cities. Its been a mess thanks to financialisation and speculation and yes overdevelopment and universities setting themselves up as glorified property developers etc.

We don't need bogger cities. Quite the opposite.

Anyway, see you on Fedi.

@dsfgs @SeanAloysiusOBrien hey i'm a bit late to this discussion but have you tried having less white people in australia? that seems like it could help with the overpopulation problem you claim to be having. cheers!

@esvrld
Let's just say, in Australia (and other overdeveloped places), anyone who has more than a particular number of children, we can't have much… time… for, yes.

Don't make this about race, please.

Overpopulation and overconsumption are both issues.

@SeanAloysiusOBrien

@dsfgs @esvrld @SeanAloysiusOBrien i have 33 milfs overconsuming my ass, they just love eating it

@dsfgs @esvrld @SeanAloysiusOBrien anyway, have you read thomas layon's paper "refutations of the malthusian idea of overpopulation"

@a_lizard
Malthus is not wrong, but the can has been able to be kicked down the road with a few tricks, that are coming to a head.

Malthus had a third theory, that ppl embrace limits to expanding, which also shows that he's not actually wrong.

You could say he covered all the bases. :)

Having said that has been abused in the past. We must be careful not repeat those, but sadly many appear to be trying to.

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@SeanAloysiusOBrien @dsfgs
Don't equivocate. Dislike of Chinese government policy or other aspects of China =/= bigotry or prejudice towards Chinese people.

@deathtoamerica
Erm… so apparently this person blocked us for exposing the false choice that transnational property developers try to push on us.

@dsfgs @SeanAloysiusOBrien that's just not true. haven't you read Wolfgang Liechminne's famous description of the homeless problem in socialist China?

@dsfgs @SeanAloysiusOBrien let me summarize it for you: this reply is a classic example of someone who needs to LIECHE MINNE DICK AND BALLS

@dsfgs @SeanAloysiusOBrien damn i hate to be conditioned to want to live in apartments as opposed to park benches

@PhoebeWallerPalladino
See .

There were 80,000 empty homes in . Years ago before the we didn't need.

But let's all close our eyes and enjoy the served to us.

@dsfgs so give the homes away. seize them from the banks and developers. simple as

@geesehoward
See other branch of discussion to learn some of the factors involved, and why highrise is a false choice.
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@dsfgs @SeanAloysiusOBrien Our expectations on housing are now so low that Plattenbau is considered "gentrification"?
@SeanAloysiusOBrien @dsfgs Hong Kong under the British replaced physically and mentally unhygienic and unsafe slums with high-rise residentials with subsidized rent, raising the living conditions for the population. I am 100% in support of this. Today's HK public housing continues in the same spirit. The private housing market is insane, but the majority of people live in public housing.

Leaving any genocides and political persecution aside, in terms of housing policy in mainland China's growing cities, the same process is happening there and it's great.

@clacke
We can't speak to the supposed benefits of living in a place like that. All we can talk about it the types of objects depicted in the meme.

See the other thread connected to the image for a better explanation as to why we consider this a clever way of depicting a falseChoice.

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