We live in a born of the love of neo-liberalism and post modernism of the last 40 years. Kinda feel you cannot move on with out this understanding. At the moment the "reasonableists" are a bunch of lost people individually bashing about in a huge spiky bush. Of course this bush has roots (see above) cut the roots and you have a lot of dry firewood - 20th centery history says do not let the resulting fire get out of hand.

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