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Power always exists the important question is who has access to this power.

With the its privatised to capital and state actors. With the it is shared to much wider social groupings. Using their tools, like, share, time on article, friend etc the data (value) is captured for their profit. Using our tools the the data is kept (to a degree) in the and in the commons.

Its about who has the power, give it to "them" or share it with "us" its your choice.

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All this has been explaned 100's of time on the blog and git and posted to failbook mastodon and twitter likly thousends of times. you can just fallow the hashtages if you wont to its what they are there for. NO ONES SLAVE, NO ONES MASTER

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The is a existing tested rolled out and scaled stupidly KISS set of tools and standerds that allows people to build semanticweb projects - you can use it to build an exact copy of the IMC sites and am going do that, but behind the site in the admin are levers and if people push or pull them new ways of working will apper as if by magic. its up to them if they like spellcasting.

A. The problem with this is that in the way you seem to understand it and definitely in the way you SAY it is simply irrelevant to what we are trying to build with the It's very basic stuff, think we all agree with what you are saying, but the is little common understanding of its relevance as you say it for and reboot. Q. Why are these agenders talking about the relevant to a human moderated grassroots on the ground media network?

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Q. um, your critique of people who might have serious critiques of the tech environments ( i.e. the "cybernetic regime" + "technofascism" as related to the material requirements for ALL high tech industries ) as a whole ( is hardly in all cases, a zero/negative understanding )... i appreciate the work you are doing, but would advise you keep your EARS open to those who understand things that maybe you don't... and best wishes for the work!

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It always surprises me anew when people show they have zero/negative understanding of the power and empowerment of DIY grassroots organizing. When am actively, not to say a bit annoyingly, doing open process to be meet with "you just wont to be king" is a easy to understand indictment of the people shouting. Its basic stuff to hear them saying i wont to be king NOT YOU. Which of course ignores the DIY grassroots part in that the is NO KING in the world ;)

Our are useless so if we are to make any social change it has to be done by small focued affinity groups before expanding into helping srink the useless mainstream activism space and expand heathy commons. what we do with these commons is up to us.

The has strong blocking energy on radical tech.

Ideas/strategies to mediate/overcome this unspoken block?

The failure of the fluffy/spiky debate in media is highlighted in this.

The wonabe mainstream are not friends of the grassroots. They say this clearly here, good to have this in the

The is a social technology held togather by the that pushes into being a digital commons. What we then do with this liberated space is up to us.

The are a kinda of constitution that keeps the "post truth world" at bay. As long as you keep the in place and respect the diversity they hold in place.

Its a chicken and egg issue.

If you are confused what the is, about seams lots of people are :) then its simply a network of projects that are working toawrds implementing these 5 functions organisational bound by the and with the ethical underpinnings of the hallmarks. That's about it. you can just do web searches to find backgrounds on all these subjects DIY.

If you are still confused and likly meany will be... the is a logical outcome from all these that is worth fighting for.

It easey and sad/bad normal to miss that is a process that sets out to the healthy rather than reheat the corpse of the dead indymedia. So mine and yours is core to the dead indymedia best not to go down that path.

Looking to do affective actavisam.

Academic historys of our movements are not very useful as they are strongly second hand sources mostly from

We need more minoraty views from participants. For my view this will reveal open/closed and process/serendipity that is at the hart of the actavist debates. For eample in my view started open/serendipity and died closed/bureaucratic. A simple story to base a reboot on.

is a good process to mediate this problem.

Putting togather a pad on the gatherings to talk about: Rebooting indymedia - were did we come from were are we going


Are a simple way to judge the value of a “alt/grassroots” tech project.

Open data –


Open source – as in “free software”


Open “industrial” standards –

1/2 a open is working towards

Open process –


So Its a bronze project.

Yes, a Planned Economy Can Actually Work In a era of the world can change, it already has just that this change is currently beening privatized to the agender. Its basic stuff.

nameing a widly adopted horazontal approach to governance for the digital era.

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