The are valid arguments against it as there are about modernism in general. BUT the current is driven and not at all helpful to spread.

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@msaunders AFAIK it's kinda needed for stuff like medicine

I think a more realistic and also broader solution is to place restrictions on packaging in general

get people to bring their own containers to stores

it's probably even cheaper

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Why a hipster, vegan, green tech economy is not sustainable

Improving eco-efficiency within a capitalist growth-oriented system will not save the environment.

@adinfinitum the wide spread of chat/com tools is a part of the Q. Which one to support? is pushing and is the anything that works well in this outreach flow?

@msaunders first step is to get rid of single use plastics, think liberalism will make this is happening in next 10 years. Then only produce plastics that can be easily recycaled, this is a battle that has not started, might need thinking beyond liberalism for this one, as it smells of pland economy.

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Any ideas on how to instigate a genuine ban on plastics ?

Recycling is totally useless

Reduction is not enough - not anymore

We must simply stop it.
But how, realistically?

And by realistic, I do not mean "while still allowing companies to make money" - stop fearing economical backlashes - this problem is bigger than that

@aral the whole "data" has power to medate society to function in a new (maybe better) way. Maybe it should just be held in common under a CC license. The libertarian idea of data independence is basically capitalism with a bit of cover.

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Here's Paul Baran's RAND-published September 1962 justification for distributed communications networks summed up in a single chart. It's also the same paper where the famous "centralized vs decentralized vs distributed" triptych of graphs comes from. You still see this exact diagram, uncited, in modern presentations on the decentralized/distributed web.

Full paper:

Trying out some standard tech tools, we could probably fix the issues but these initial issues mean the tools are not ready for outreach. This is normal that is rearly resolved so outreach all to often fails. We need tools that work outa the box.

@adinfinitum we could probably fix the issues but these initial issues mean the tools are not ready for outreach. This is normal that is rearly resolved so outreach all to often fails. We need tools that work outa the box.

Phww... what matters in the era of were is the power to affect the in a banquet with trump and the queen or in the streets.

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@xj9 You can do that anyway, because pleroma works with Mastodon clients, and the Mastodon web UI is installed by default so you have both available.

@adinfinitum @adinfinitum Have a few days tied to land, how easey do you think it would be to move the github?

@nullself @dualhammers artificial scarcerty is a basic tenant to the continuing of the neo-liberal

@adinfinitum this looks like a treditonal top down structure with hippy camouflage. Interested in what a horazontal structure would look like

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This does appear rather US-centric!? I am concerned if the policy & practice may differ greatly from the UKs ? Any Queens Counsel out there ?? ;-)

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Founded on #4opens, motivated by the #PGA hallmarks and moderated by an ethical code of conduct. Its an unfettered space for Activists and groups to communicate via #openweb projects.

"We can't engage as communities, unless we have money. I can't even express how angry this makes me."
- an activist group using Facebook. People and organisations who feel this way are our initial targets.

We are launching two new Mastodon instances for activists and campaigners to aid communication of grassroot groups; putting social media back in our hands by providing a free, unfettered home for campaigners, NGO’s and activists to communicate among their peers and beyond.

This project is a way out of the restricted, algorithmic, for-profit mediation and commercialisation of communication we increasingly experience. If you do not pay to "boost" each post, a Facebook page will only reach 3-6% of members. This soon becomes an expensive drain on limited NGO and activist budgets.
Activists and campaigners alike are ready to shift their outreach away from the corporate social networks paid-per-view “walled gardens”.

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